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		<title>Comment on The Church &amp; Israel &#8212; Thinking About Rom. 9-11 by Individuals are components of the corporate set &#171; Theology Geek NZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>Individuals are components of the corporate set &#171; Theology Geek NZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 02:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] responding to this question I would like to point to a post of his last year on this passage, though this was more to establish who Paul meant by the term Israel in various [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>... responding to this question I would like to point to a post of his last year on this passage, though this was more to establish who Paul meant by the term Israel in various ...</p>
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		<title>Comment on Study guide &#8212; Deep Church, Deep Truth by Hannah Lindsley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hannah Lindsley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 15:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SWEET!  A modern Schaeffer.</description>
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		<title>Comment on My Christian Radio Shows by Harry truthe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harry truthe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 21:03:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To those of you who were not aware...&quot;Larry Carrino&quot; has been deemed a &quot;sexual predator&quot; in the press for misusing his pastorate to seduce women for years...I suggest that you search this out and disseminate as noone else need be deceived by this fraudster and lier..sad but true..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To those of you who were not aware&#8230;&#8221;Larry Carrino&#8221; has been deemed a &#8220;sexual predator&#8221; in the press for misusing his pastorate to seduce women for years&#8230;I suggest that you search this out and disseminate as noone else need be deceived by this fraudster and lier..sad but true..</p>
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		<title>Comment on Says What Now? &#8220;Behold, I stand at the door and knock&#8221; by Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 16:40:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, to an extent.  It &lt;i&gt;would&lt;/i&gt; be unlike Christ, who said &quot;a bruised reed he will not break, and a smoldering wick he will not quench&quot; (Matt 12:20).

On the other hand, Rev 3:19 says &quot;Those whom I love, I reprove and discipline, so be zealous and repent&quot;, and that seems more particular than the general love of God for all--like Heb 12:7-11.

I think you have to say Christ is speaking to both groups--those who Jesus &quot;never knew&quot; (Matt 7:21-23) (i.e. the truly lukewarm), along with the &quot;smoldering wicks&quot;.  Jesus intends to revive faltering sheep, turn some of the goats into sheep, and actually &quot;spit out&quot; the other goats.  The last are those in 1 John 2:19, who leave so &quot;They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us.&quot;

I take that view of all the warning passages of the NT.  The warnings are intended to kick weak Christians into gear, and bring non-Christians in the church to faith for the first time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, to an extent.  It <i>would</i> be unlike Christ, who said &#8220;a bruised reed he will not break, and a smoldering wick he will not quench&#8221; (Matt 12:20).</p>
<p>On the other hand, Rev 3:19 says &#8220;Those whom I love, I reprove and discipline, so be zealous and repent&#8221;, and that seems more particular than the general love of God for all&#8211;like Heb 12:7-11.</p>
<p>I think you have to say Christ is speaking to both groups&#8211;those who Jesus &#8220;never knew&#8221; (Matt 7:21-23) (i.e. the truly lukewarm), along with the &#8220;smoldering wicks&#8221;.  Jesus intends to revive faltering sheep, turn some of the goats into sheep, and actually &#8220;spit out&#8221; the other goats.  The last are those in 1 John 2:19, who leave so &#8220;They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us.&#8221;</p>
<p>I take that view of all the warning passages of the NT.  The warnings are intended to kick weak Christians into gear, and bring non-Christians in the church to faith for the first time.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Says What Now? &#8220;Behold, I stand at the door and knock&#8221; by Al Margheim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Al Margheim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 03:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In his book &quot;Crazy Love,&quot; Francis Chan takes the position that Christ is speaking to unbelievers (the lukewarm) in verse 16.  Francis thinks it would be unlike Christ to spit believers out of his mouth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In his book &#8220;Crazy Love,&#8221; Francis Chan takes the position that Christ is speaking to unbelievers (the lukewarm) in verse 16.  Francis thinks it would be unlike Christ to spit believers out of his mouth.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Which Bible-reading plan will *you* abandon? by Tim Stewart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Stewart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 20:19:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha ha! You found me. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha ha! You found me. <img src='http://www.aglassdimly.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Which Bible-reading plan will *you* abandon? by Nikki</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nikki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 19:12:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is this the same Tim Stewart, as in, went to University of Texas (Austin) and speaks Italian, Tim?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is this the same Tim Stewart, as in, went to University of Texas (Austin) and speaks Italian, Tim?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Understanding God&#8217;s Word by Says What Now? &#8211; A New Series &#124; Through A Glass, Dimly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Says What Now? &#8211; A New Series &#124; Through A Glass, Dimly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 01:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is, and to help figure out ambiguous phrases.  (I wrote a post a couple years ago on this, called Understanding God&#8217;s Word.)  Sometimes it&#8217;s a jarring experience to read a familiar verse in context&#8211;because you [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>... is, and to help figure out ambiguous phrases.  (I wrote a post a couple years ago on this, called Understanding God&#8217;s Word.)  Sometimes it&#8217;s a jarring experience to read a familiar verse in context&#8211;because you ...</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Church &amp; Israel &#8212; Figuring It Out by Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 01:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S. I have a Twitter friend who&#039;s starting a series on eschatology.  You might be interested. (He&#039;s amillenial &amp; covenant.)

&lt;a href=&quot;http://mattsvoboda.blogspot.com/2010/01/basics-for-studying-eschatology.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The basics for studying Eschatology&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://mattsvoboda.blogspot.com/2010/01/eschatology-and-kingdom-of-god.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Eschatology and the Kingdom of God&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S. I have a Twitter friend who&#8217;s starting a series on eschatology.  You might be interested. (He&#8217;s amillenial &#038; covenant.)</p>
<p><a href="http://mattsvoboda.blogspot.com/2010/01/basics-for-studying-eschatology.html" rel="nofollow">The basics for studying Eschatology</a><br />
<a href="http://mattsvoboda.blogspot.com/2010/01/eschatology-and-kingdom-of-god.html" rel="nofollow">Eschatology and the Kingdom of God</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on The Church &amp; Israel &#8212; Figuring It Out by Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 01:17:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(For the sake of other people: Steve is a friend from my church. Last week, we were talking about millenialism &amp; &quot;replacement theology&quot; for a while, and I was claiming that &quot;replacement theology&quot; is mainly a term used by dispensationalists, and doesn&#039;t really fit very well.  I said that covenant people describe their position in terms of Gentiles being fully included in Israel.)

Steve,

I&#039;m summarizing what I&#039;ve gathered from both dispensationalists and Covenant/amillenial/Reformed/etc teachers.  The latter always speak in terms of full inclusion, and promises &amp; prophecies being fulfilled (somehow) in Christ.  However, I did say that this was an oversimplified summary.

But... Well, two things:
1.) &quot;Replacement&quot; still works to describe that, basically.  (Supersessionism, too.) I can&#039;t see how it&#039;s wrong to say that the Church replaces Israel, in that view.  It&#039;s just that &quot;all Christians are fully included in Israel&quot; &lt;i&gt;sounds&lt;/i&gt; nicer.  The emphasis is in a different place.
2.) But maybe there are other people for whom the label fits even better.  For instance, someone who says that you can just ignore all the OT promises to Israel, because they&#039;ve been kicked out of God&#039;s plans, and now it&#039;s all about the Church.  (And any time someone actually has animosity toward Jews, it probably tends in that direction.)

Basically, when we were talking, I shouldn&#039;t have been saying, &quot;&#039;Replacement theology&#039; doesn&#039;t fit as a label for anyone.&quot;  Maybe it does, for some.  Maybe you&#039;ve even talked to them.

But I get particularly concerned when the &quot;anti-semitism&quot; charge enters the picture.  There are certainly antisemites out there.  And there may be people who don&#039;t go that far, but whose view of the church &amp; Israel actually &lt;i&gt;does&lt;/i&gt; lend itself to that.  (You&#039;d have to describe the view, for me.)  But I don&#039;t think it&#039;s at all accurate to say, &quot;That applies to anyone who takes a non-dispensational view of the church &amp; Israel.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(For the sake of other people: Steve is a friend from my church. Last week, we were talking about millenialism &#038; &#8220;replacement theology&#8221; for a while, and I was claiming that &#8220;replacement theology&#8221; is mainly a term used by dispensationalists, and doesn&#8217;t really fit very well.  I said that covenant people describe their position in terms of Gentiles being fully included in Israel.)</p>
<p>Steve,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m summarizing what I&#8217;ve gathered from both dispensationalists and Covenant/amillenial/Reformed/etc teachers.  The latter always speak in terms of full inclusion, and promises &#038; prophecies being fulfilled (somehow) in Christ.  However, I did say that this was an oversimplified summary.</p>
<p>But&#8230; Well, two things:<br />
1.) &#8220;Replacement&#8221; still works to describe that, basically.  (Supersessionism, too.) I can&#8217;t see how it&#8217;s wrong to say that the Church replaces Israel, in that view.  It&#8217;s just that &#8220;all Christians are fully included in Israel&#8221; <i>sounds</i> nicer.  The emphasis is in a different place.<br />
2.) But maybe there are other people for whom the label fits even better.  For instance, someone who says that you can just ignore all the OT promises to Israel, because they&#8217;ve been kicked out of God&#8217;s plans, and now it&#8217;s all about the Church.  (And any time someone actually has animosity toward Jews, it probably tends in that direction.)</p>
<p>Basically, when we were talking, I shouldn&#8217;t have been saying, &#8220;&#8216;Replacement theology&#8217; doesn&#8217;t fit as a label for anyone.&#8221;  Maybe it does, for some.  Maybe you&#8217;ve even talked to them.</p>
<p>But I get particularly concerned when the &#8220;anti-semitism&#8221; charge enters the picture.  There are certainly antisemites out there.  And there may be people who don&#8217;t go that far, but whose view of the church &#038; Israel actually <i>does</i> lend itself to that.  (You&#8217;d have to describe the view, for me.)  But I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s at all accurate to say, &#8220;That applies to anyone who takes a non-dispensational view of the church &#038; Israel.&#8221;</p>
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